A doctorate in folklore may seem to be an unusual background for a writer of juvenile fiction, but it has served Janet McNaughton well. "I was born in Toronto, Ontario, on November 29, 1953 and spent the first 26 years of my life
there. I did a BA at York University in something called individualized studies, basically
Canadian Studies without the French. While at York, I did a number of courses with Edith
Fowke, and that was how I got interested in folklore which was what brought to me to
Newfoundland. I moved to St. John's in 1979, did a Master's degree in folklore, graduating in
1982, and then went into a Ph.D. program. I got married, had a baby and didn't graduate from the
Ph.D. program until 1989-90." "I didn't have a goal in mind when I went to university. Nobody in my family had ever gone to
university before. Because of the Depression, my mother didn't even get to go to high school.
I'm the younger of two children. My sister, who now has a court reporting business, took the
'commercial' stream in school. As my parents really wanted a child who would go to university,
I was it. They actually wanted me to be a teacher, and I tried doing teacher training at York in a
concurrent BA/B.ED program, but I never fit in. I was just always at odds with some aspect of
the school system. However, by fourth year, I knew I wanted to come to Newfoundland because
it was the only place in Canada you could do graduate work in folklore. When I made that
decision, I just folded all my B.Ed courses into my BA and graduated. My master's thesis at
Memorial was on the festivals organized by CP rail and held in CP hotels across Canada. I
focused on those held at the Chateau Frontenac between 1927 and 1930. My dissertation was
completely different. I did it on midwifery and the medicalization of child birth in
Newfoundland, something that's happened in living memory so I could talk to women who had
been midwives or had babies delivered by midwives. I was looking at the way in which the
transition had been made from just neighborhood women to doctors." "By the time I finished my Ph. D., I realized I'd made a terrible mistake. When we entered the
program in the early 80's, we were encouraged to believe that folklore was going to be an
expanding discipline. Of course, during that time, nothing expanded. There were no jobs. Of the
four people I did my degree with, only one ended up with a job in folklore. Of the remaining
three, one runs a bed & breakfast and brings in German tourists to Newfoundland, another, me, is
a children's author, and the third is an independent scholar." "I'd always been interested in writing and had done some creative writing courses when I was an
undergraduate, but, ironically, I didn't specialize in creative writing because I didn't believe you
could support yourself doing it. With the doctorate completed, I had a toddler, and nothing to do
with myself. I knew that I'd probably go crazy if I didn't find something intellectual to occupy
my time, and so I started writing magazine articles. A friend who had column reviewing
children's books in the Sunday Express, a local weekly newspaper, said, 'I'm going back to
medical school. Do you want my column?' And I replied, 'Sure.' When the paper went out of
business a couple of years later, I didn't want to stop reviewing children's books, and I sent
samples of my work to Quill & Quire who hired me to review. I think my being a reviewer
before I was a writer of children's literature was a very useful exercise. I learned a lot about
what's good and what isn't. When you review seriously, you learn very rapidly that publishers
often have no idea what they are doing and that a lot of the stuff that's out there shouldn't have
been published to begin with. It was a very good apprenticeship for me." Janet characterizes her transition from reviewer to writer as "really silly. I was asked to be on
executive of the Writers' Alliance of Newfoundland and Labrador. I thought,'They think I'm a
writer. I should write a book.' So I started writing, and the first thing I wrote was actually a 100
page draft of To Dance at the Palais Royale. It wasn't very good, and I couldn't get it
published. I didn't tell anybody I was writing because I was afraid I might not be able to get
anything published. By being quiet, I wouldn't embarrass myself." "While the draft of Palais Royale was out not getting published, I thought, 'Well, I learned a
lot from that experience. Maybe I could do better.' And so I started writing Catch Me Once,
Catch Me Twice. In that book, I drew the factual stuff very much from what I'd learned doing
my doctoral dissertation, and so that's why Ev's grandfather is a doctor and Peter's grandmother
is a midwife. I knew they could be of very different social classes but could end up at a school
which was one of the very few in St. John's at that time that was coeducational. In Catch Me,
they're actually in the same class, but when they get to Prince of Wales in Make or Break
Spring, the classes are separate. Once I started Catch Me, I realized that a St. John's friend
and writer, Helen Porter, not only went to the schools that these kids went to, but she was the
same age as Evelyn and could tell me very precise detail. For instance, I wouldn't have know
that the person who ran the school would normally have been a man called the headmaster but
that, during the war, the school had a woman as the headmistress. As well, I wouldn't have
known what the students did when the air-raid sirens went off. Helen read my draft and corrected
any of the factual things I hadn't gotten right." Catch Me Once, Catch Me Twice contained what one reviewer called a "seamless weave of
the natural with the supernatural." Janet explains how fairies came to be part of the plot. "My
friend Barbara Rieti was the only other person I knew who had a baby and was also trying to do a
doctoral dissertation. She was studying fairies, and so sometimes we'd both get sitters for the day
and go off and do fieldwork. I'd listen to her interview somebody about the fairies, and then
we'd drive up the road, and she'd sit and listen to me interview somebody about midwifery.
Fairy beliefs in Newfoundland are very interesting. The dissonance between the natural and the
supernatural that we have in our world view isn't part of the traditional Newfoundland world
view. You can be walking along in the middle of the bright and sunny day, and all of a sudden
you're lost, and you know that the fairies have confused you. Finding yourself in such a
situation, there are various things that you can do, such as turning your pockets inside out, to get
yourself turned around to go back again. That kind of separation between natural and
supernatural is not part of the traditional world view, and that was part of what I was aiming for.
Of course, because you're writing fiction and not an academic paper, you mostly can't say what
it is that you're trying to do." Janet's folklore background also came into play with To Dance at the Palais Royale. "The last
course I did for my BA was an oral history of my mother's family's immigration to Canada and
that told me a whole bunch of things that I hadn't known before. It was interesting because my
mother is the second youngest. She was eight when they immigrated, and her perception of what
had gone on and her memories of Scotland were completely different from those of her older
sisters who had to face more of the harsh realities of life there, and so it was very good to talk to
my three oldest aunts, Jean, Barbara and Janet, about what life had been like in Scotland. They
were all domestic servants and had come to Canada on reduced passage just the way Aggie and
Emma do. If I had only had my mother's experience to go by, I would have had a very
romanticized view of the past that an eight-year-old could afford to cultivate but a 14-year-old
who was out of school couldn't. Just like Aggie, my oldest aunt, Jean, hadn't wanted to come. It
was my Aunt Barbara's idea, and she got everybody to jump on the bandwagon with her. They
were all going to Canada. Maybe it's not true of the two Newfoundland books, but for some
reason, I feel compelled to write about the less interesting character. Aggie is not the more
interesting character, but I want to write about the mousy one that doesn't get noticed. Maybe
that's because I was the mousy one that didn't get noticed. I guess that most adolescents do feel
that way." "When I wrote Palais, I knew that, although my main character was 17, my target audience
was actually girls who were early adolescents, and I wrote Aggie's experience with the
sensibilities of that audience in mind. One of the reasons why its nice to be able to go back to a
time when girls were pathetically innocent is that it allows you to address that sensibility.
Because our kids today don't have the same kind of innocence of knowledge, but they still have
the same kind of innocence of experience, that means that, when you talk to them about things
like sexuality, you have to have a very light touch and that is what I was trying to do. A lot of
what I do in my books is more conscious that it probably should be, or maybe I just figure it out
in retrospect, but there are always a lot of ideas in my head when I'm working on stuff like this." "In The Vertical Mosaic there's a quote about how it's easier to see the class system from the
bottom up, and I think that that's true. I want kids to think about things like that. I want them to
know that there was a time when your parents said, 'Now you will go to Canada and make
money to bring the rest of the family,' and you didn't say no. I think it's very easy to assume that
the world has always been the way that you find it, and, of course, it hasn't. Similarly, it's
interesting with Catch Me in that the character who gives kids the most trouble is not the scary
soldier; it's the grandmother. They always ask, 'Why is Evelyn's grandmother so mean?' The
answer is that she's just behaving like a typical grandmother of that time period where she's sort
of an adjunct parent, and it was her job to bring this kind of aberrant girl in line. Today,
grandparents are like old playmates. I wanted readers to realize that things are different, that
things can change." Janet's third historical novel, Make or Break Spring, was a sequel. "Kids here in St. John's
were very much upset about the fact that Catch Me had ended on such an inconclusive note.
Readers don't like that, and I had had ideas about the characters themselves. Things about the
scholarship in the first book suggested a story to me, but I also really wanted to take the story to
the end of the war. I'd left it in 1942, a very dark, uncertain time in the war. I thought, 'You
know, it's like two sides of the coin. You have the dark early winter period where the war's very
uncertain, and then you have the opportunity for the spring when the war's ending and
everything looks much better actually.' The horror that was to come with Hiroshima and
Nagasaki hadn't happened yet, and so the European part of the war ended, except for the death
camps, on a very happy note. I left the camps out because I didn't see anything in the papers that
would suggest to me that people knew yet what had gone on. Make or Break Spring was a way
of wrapping up the story and of getting the characters out of my head as much as anything
because they had continued to live. They don't now." With her fourth book, Janet took a new direction. "The Secret Under My Skin was harder to
write because it was a different genre. I did that deliberately because I'd done three books of
historical fiction. I'd come from a kind of historical research background, and I knew what I was
doing. I think there's a danger when you know what you're doing too well that you're going to
lose your creativity. You have to really keep yourself off balance if you're going to produce
something that's interesting and creative. I was certainly off balance while I was writing
Secret. There were times when I felt I was just floundering around in the dark. In creating a
new world, I fell back on a lot of the stuff that I knew from studying folklore. The beginning of
the book where the kids do the ceremony and are told to avoid this terrifying man, I took that
right out of some work that another folklorist had done on camp legends." "There are a lot of things that I knew about that world that I created that I couldn't fit into
Secret because these people that I was writing about are in one very isolated backwater. I have
an idea for another book that would use the same characters. I don't know whether I will do it or
not, but it would take them into the rest of the world. It would actually be a kind of truth and
reconciliation process that's going on in the aftermath of the fall of this government, and then my
character would find out a lot more about what had actually been going on and what life was like
for people who didn't share her very straitened circumstances." "There's always a lot more that you know. Being a writer of fiction, you have to learn what to
leave out, and you have to recognize the fact that there are things that you know that you won't
tell the reader, and there are things that you know that you will try to tell the reader in ways that
you know that they might not be able to get. There's a couple of points in Secret where I know
more about Blay's situation than she does, and she reacts in ways that are governed by her
personality, especially at that point when Marrella says to her, 'I picked you because you'd never
be a threat to me.' Blay takes that very badly, but I think the other character meant it ironically,
but Blay doesn't see that. I couldn't let her see that. She wasn't capable of seeing that irony.
She's just overwhelmed by hurt. A danger of using a first person narrator is that you know that
your narrator isn't always going to be reliable, but you don't know whether your audience will
pick up on when your narrator's being unreliable or when your narrator just doesn't see things
that you, as author, can. To me, one of the stylistic challenges of writing is that I have to accept
the fact that everything that I know can't possibly go into the book. Sometimes when you read
beginning writers, you can see where they have tried to put in everything that they knew and it
hasn't worked." "One thing I did have in mind in Secret was that I would play a little bit with gender roles. It
would look as if a character was a typical housewife, and then you would find out that she was
actually a very important person in the resistance. I have been bothered by the kind of
ghettoization that goes on in young adult literature where all you are exposed to are young adults.
I think that's very unrealistic because there's a lot of generational interaction that goes on in the
lives of most young adults. I was conscious of the fact that I did want my books to be more
realistic, and so kids do interact with people of other generations. I really worked myself into a
corner in Make or Break though because I ended up with a character who was 2 ½ years old.
It's very hard to 'write' a 2 ½ year old. Actually the editor I was working with on that book said
she found him annoying." "With Blay/Blake, I figured, 'This kid's so good at everything she does. I have to give her
something she really can't do,' and that was one reason why I made her a weaver. Also, I'm
really interested in 'the hunger for knowledge' as a theme. It was something I had when I was a
kid growing up in a working class family where my parents hadn't had much of an education.
My husband is the same, but it isn't something that you see a lot of today. Most of what goes into
my novels isn't out of life. I don't admire writers who write out of their own lives. I think real
creativity involves not just digesting your own experience and putting it down on paper as
fiction, but one thing that I was very definitely working out in my own life in Secret is the
whole feeling that being allowed to learn is a wonderful gift, and most of our teachers aren't
seeing this in kids at all. Their students think they're being punished or in some way being kept
from what they really want to do. And I love to learn, and I'm still learning things all the time. I
wanted to try to communicate that enthusiasm for learning. That's one of the reasons why Blake
is the kind of characters she is, but I needed to prove that I knew that she wasn't perfect. Also
I'm terrible with my hands too." As to her output, Janet observes, "While readers would like a new book every year, that would
kill me. Some people can do it, but I can't. Every two years is about what I can handle. It's really
arduous actually, but it's a pace that I feel is probably necessary. It requires me to be at work at
my novel almost all the time. Now, I only usually write half a day because you can only
generally see that far ahead in the plot. I write in the morning and try to write 10 pages a week.
Consequently, I write two pages a day. Sometimes I'll write more, and I've actually been in
situations, such as the end of Secret and with Make or Break, where I got to the point where
I couldn't stop writing. That was horrible. I would try to leave the computer, and I'd have to
come back and keep writing because the story was just propelling me to write. Normally though,
I'll write for half of the day, and then, while I'm doing the rest of the things that I do for the other
half of the day, the plot will be sort of formulating itself in my head so that I can carry it forward
the next day. But it really does require me to work the five days a week. I guess I'm fortunate to
live where I do in that I have very few distractions. I do very few school visits because the
economy here doesn't really allow it. I do very few conferences, and I'm not invited away a
whole lot." "I'm also very happy working at home, being a domestic person and having my domestic life
around me. In that way, it's a comfortable way for me to work. But I find that I have less time to
spend with my friends. I have less time for a lot of other things although I've been doing an
awful lot of volunteer work. We just put poetry on the buses, and I was on that committee; I've
been on the Eastern Horizons Conference for two years; and I'm on the national council of the
Writers' Union of Canada. When I get those kinds of distractions, it gets harder and harder to do
my writing." Janet says that her books "start in my imagination. I'm a person who does a lot of daydreaming. I
always have been a daydreamer, and I have these ideas in my head that just kind of formulate
gradually. When I'm actually ready to sit down and write a book, I'll do a lot of researching, and
a lot of my ideas come out of my research because I have no plot. I start with characters. I don't
start with plot at all. Then I'll sit down and start to write. It's kind of a process of the story
unfolding. I usually write from beginning to end. But with Secret, I got a little bit into the
story and realized that there were things that needed to be structured in different ways and things
that I could do to bring out the drama, and so I went back and rewrote. Then there were things
that I knew about the society that I hadn't known when I started writing because it was a whole
process of discovering what was going on. Consequently, after about three chapters, I stopped,
went back and started from the beginning, rewrote the whole thing and then wrote on." "But normally I would just write from beginning to end and then rewrite. So, I'm pretty
methodical in the way that I write. I don't know how the plot is going to end. In Secret, I
didn't know that Fraser, when he came into the story, was Len Howl's son. And I had Hillary in
the book a long time before I realized that she had actually stolen Blake. There are always things
that come into the plot that surprise me, or characters come with their own agendas. That's a hard
thing for other people to understand, but characters do have their own ideas about what they
should be doing in my books, and they will often assert themselves in ways that I hadn't
expected. I never fight them. If you fight your characters, it's always going to look contrived. If
you want to keep the kind of organic flow of the plot, you should let the characters do mostly
what they want." "People have a hard time trying to figure out why I write for children, and, for me, a lot of it is
political. Everything I do is political I guess. I'm very interested in the concerns that adolescents
have. I still remember, pretty vividly actually, what it was like to be that age. I think adolescence
is a time when you formulate a moral attitude that will take you through the rest of your life, and,
to me, that's the really interesting thing. You can actually address moral issues in adolescent
literature in a way that you'd never be able to get away with if you were writing for adults.
That's very appealing to me because I'm very concerned with moral issues. For some reason, the
way in which most adults are able to shut down and stop feeling indignant about the world never
happened with me. I just go around feeling indignant all the time. Part of it might be that I'm
married to someone who teaches political science, and politics is kind of a spectator sport in this
house, but I do have this sense of moral indignation that adolescents have that just doesn't seem
to be able to scar over the way that most adults can." "I'm very lucky because I came along as a writer in a writing group. It's a very large group called
the Newfoundland Writers' Guild. It's open to everyone unlike most writing groups where you
have to be invited. I really am grateful for the fact that I had that kind of discipline where my
work was critiqued and people were focused on just the pure writing. I think a lot of people don't
get that. Now, I finally have an in-house editor with HarperCollins. Before that, anyone that my
publisher could afford I could have. I wanted to be the one who would find the editor because I
wanted someone who was specifically interested in young adult. I was very lucky to be able to
have Peter Carver for Palais but then he went to Red Deer Press and was no longer available.
I'd worked with Marie Campbell at Quill & Quire where she'd been one of the 'Books for
Young People' editors. I knew that we thought very much alike, and so it's been wonderful being
able to work with an in-house editor from whatever point I wanted to bring her into the process.
Basically, with my first three books, what I was getting was a last draft edit, and before that I had
to come up with ways to ensure that all the editing was done myself. A lot of that was feedback
from people in the Guild or other writers whose judgement I trusted,. It's been a kind of seat-of-your-pants experience which has been good. It's made me very independent." First a reviewer, then an author, Janet has now also become an editor. "I've done three or four
books for Creative, and I feel very strongly that it's the author's name that goes on the book, not
mine. The mistakes have to be the author's. For instance, there were a couple of things that
HarperCollins suggested, such as wanting me to make the sexual abuse more overt in Blay's
past, and I said no. Marie as well had her doubts about the whole idea of romance in the book
and thought that, at the end, it was just too neat to have those two couples so nicely wrapped up.
I said, 'The mistakes in the books have to be my mistakes.' Because the book has my name on it,
I don't have any trouble with mistakes as long as they were mistakes I made. If it was a mistake
that somebody else had made for me, I would feel a lot worse about it. Integrity of my work is
really important to me because there is very little monetary reward to writing. You work like
mad, and you get so little return in so many ways that I figured one of the few things that I do
have, that I didn't have when I was a magazine writer, is the right to control what goes into the
books." Having written two books about Ev and Peter during World War II, Janet's completing a trilogy
might seem a natural conclusion, but she says, "I don't have any desire to write about those
characters again even though people keep asking if there'll be another. I think the sequel business
is a real trap for a writer. I don't think it made Lucy Maude Montgomery very happy to keep
churning out those Anne books, and you can see the deterioration in the quality of the work. I
certainly don't want to get into that. I'm not in the business of satisfying the desires of my
readers as much as I am in the business of taking them on a journey that I can guide them
through." "I have a new book coming out this June which is another departure for me because it's
contemporary fiction, and it's a junior novel, for grades four and five. It's called The Saltbox
Sweater. The story is very straightforward, about a ten-year-old girl, her mother and her
grandmother, and how they find a way to stay in their home community, which is a
Newfoundland outport, after the local fish plant closes. I wanted to write a story that would help
explain why people want to stay in these small communities when everyone else thinks they
should just be willing to pack up and move to some other part of Canada." "My next book's going to be completely different. In my BA days, I was also a folk singer and
sang in French with another woman in Toronto. I really loved the Scottish narrative ballads
which is something that's coming into my next book. It's going to be set in Scotland in the
Middle Ages, and I'm going to use two Scottish narrative ballads for the plot. When I was
writing Secret, I had no idea if anyone would like that book or want to read it. It was just
something I had to write, and that's the way it is with this book too. I don't know if anybody's
going to like it or want to read it, but it's what's up next for me." "I'm going back to the fairies for this next book too. I'm not sure how I'm going to handle that
fantasy element because I'm a person who puts a lot more stock in realism than in fantasy. I
think fantasy is wonderful when it can be achieved in books, but it's sort of like religious faith -
either you've got it, or you don't. You can't manufacture it. The Secret Under My Skin was
very consciously an anti-fantasy book in a lot of ways because I was trying to do things with our
relationship with science which seem antithetical to our relationship to fantasy in the world that
we exist in. In fact, I think if we could approach science in the right frame of mind, we would
find a lot there that is very magical. I was very influenced in writing Secret by one of Carl
Sagan's last books, The Demon Haunted World, which is about how people want science in
their lives, but what they end up with is pseudo-science. It's a kind of a dangerous thing in our
society for people to feel so separated from something that influences our lives so heavily." Reflecting on her writing, Janet says, "The books kind of mull around in my brain for a long time
before they pop out, and I really don't have a whole lot of conscious control over what I do next.
I can't say, 'Well, I'd rather write another book now.' It's sort of like they ripen and are ready to
fall off the tree, and I have to be there to catch them. It's a lot more work than that, of course, but
I don't want to get into a rut. I'm worried about just sticking with a formula. I would hate to see
that happen. It's a conscious thing. I keep pushing myself to try something new." Books by Janet McNaughton.
Visit Janet's home page at: www.janetmcnaughton.ca. Author photograph by Greg Locke.
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